Hari the Hadron

Thursday, February 24, 2005


This aberration has been pervading since time immemorial in various references to the epic event in India, supposedly the place where the Ramayana took place. On one side we see people fighting for construction of temple at the birth place of Lord Rama whereas on the other side there are innumerable books and statements where Ramayana is referred to as a mythological epic. Researchers and archeologists at various times have found subtle evidences of true happening of the event, but still nobody took half as much pain to remove Ramayana from the list of Mythological stories and place it in the list of historic events, as they have been doing to construct a temple for Lord Rama.

I am not sure when exactly they published it, but NASA have published the latest and may be by far the strongest evidence that Ramayana as an event did happen in Indian history. The NASA satellites have captured digital pictures of an ancient bridge made up of shoals between India and Sri Lanka, about 30 kms long in the Pak Straits. The composition of the bridge and its shape made them believe that it is man made. As per archeological studies, the first inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to about 17,50,000 years and the experts at NASA state that the bridge may be equally old. This goes a long way in proving the existence of the bridge built by the monkeys lead by Lord Hanuman to help his army reach Ravana in Sri Lanka.

So it is of utmost importance that at least we in India, try to link of all these evidences and put all efforts in establishment of the fact that Ramayana was in fact a historic event, rather than a mythological story. This is because for ages now we have been narrating the story of Ramayana to children to teach them about how a true devotee should be, who is a righteous king, power of women, true love of a wife, what is brotherly love and sacrifice and that the brother’s wife is a mother too, among many other morals contained in the story. But at the same time we also teach them that Ramayana is one of the greatest mythological stories in India. So as the children grow they are given to understand that all idealistic personalities live only in mythology and one can never emulate them in real life. The result is the depleting human values that we see all around the world.

So the establishing of Ramayana as a major event that in fact happened in the Indian history would be real confidence booster for generations to come that God had truly incarnated in the earth in the form of Rama and that people did live a life of righteousness with great ideals and true devotees where there and instill a belief in them that history can definitely be repeated.


  • Hi everybody,Please feel free to comment. Even criticism would be a compliment.

    By Blogger hari, at 11:15 PM  

  • Those pics of NASA, I think are a couple of years old. If you had the chance to look at those pics, you would be amazed at what lies beneath.....And what u say is true. The more you have preachings about unproven idealistic personalities, the lesser will be the effect of their preachings.

    By Blogger P-H-A-N-T-O-M, at 12:10 AM  

  • "The result is the depleting human values we see all around the world."

    Yes, that is evident in almost everything we see, and it is just a reflection on ourselves and our upbringing. Somehow, somewhere we've screwed up in the value system, and I for one, do not think renaming something as a historical rather than mythological epic would help matters.

    Afterall, we've had living examples of such idealism in Gandhi and countless others in our very recent history and yet, we've hardly even embraced their ideals.

    By Blogger Nth Dimension, at 12:16 AM  

  • Hi Phantom,

    I saw those pics, a friend of mine had forwarded mailed it to me. Indeed it was fantastic.

    By Blogger hari, at 12:50 AM  

  • Daph,

    We have to think positive. Yes, there are very many Gotses among us but still there a few Gandhians too. And Gandhi was after all human. So I feel the effect of Lord Rama would be much more.

    By Blogger hari, at 12:53 AM  

  • I've heard of those NASA pics before, though not seen them. I dont know if it's proof that the Ramayana events were real. But whatever the truth, whoever built that bridge made an awesome effort!

    By Blogger Shyam, at 2:34 AM  

  • Hi Shyam,

    I got those pics. Give me your email ID. I will forward you those pics. It is just great. And all evidence of time and location point out to the Ramayana only.

    By Blogger hari, at 3:04 AM  

  • I have seen those pics coupla yrs back and they were awesome.

    I feel that the lessons of Ramayana are important than whether it needs to be in History or Mythology.

    These days, it has become a fashion to re-write the history text books under the pretext of setting things right. So, let Ramayana not trigger another series of counter-rewrite and the necessity for some ppl to include epics from other religions to appease the minority.

    Hari, I agree with your points that it is a true event, but this particular issue has got every potential of becoming political & ugly (both are quite the same!).

    By Blogger Chakra Sampath, at 3:38 AM  

  • Thats a good post. And i appreciate your intent underneath it.
    Well, as far as rAmayana, as per Hindu Mythology rAmayana happened in 19th thrEthAyuga.
    We are now in Kaliyuga, i dont exactly remember the number
    (sth in 50s).
    This means Ramayana happened some millions of years ago, and i dont think any of the scientific techniques available now(carbon dating etc.) can be of use in establishing the exact time.

    So we better leave it as a sacred incident rather than history. What we should try to do is try to inculcate faith in people and spread the values that Ramayana teaches us.

    btw, i have seen those pics coupla yrs back.

    By Blogger Sriram, at 8:41 AM  

  • Ramayana might be ancient to prove it scientifically but Mahabaratha might find its right place in history. The kurukshetra war happened at the beginning of the kaliyuga which is only around 3000 years back.
    Check out these links

    By Blogger manoj, at 9:21 AM  

  • I know there are some small efforts active for a while now to date and authenticate both the Ramayana and Mahabharata. Hope that comes to favorable fruition soon.

    As an aside, as Daph said, lets look at living legends like Gandhi and MLK.jr and derive inspiration from them.

    One small note,
    I havent seen this NASA pic you have mentioned but seen umpteen such pictures that have been conveniently digitally manipulated to make a point. Relegion doesnt need vindication.

    I quote from A&D by Dan Brown,
    " Relegion is something that cannot proved. Faith is beyond what is verifiable. Thats why its faith and not science. If you can prove things of faith, it becomes science and hence no more of a faith"

    By Blogger The Last Blogger, at 10:51 AM  

  • TLB, the question this blog raises is that should ramayana be classified under faith or science?

    On a related note, do we really need an idol like Rama? Check this out. Have fun!

    By Blogger manoj, at 1:30 PM  

  • Ah, its hilarious how the evalengical Christian-missionary driven extreme groups can modify "facts" to suit their tastes. Typical of any and every religion's extremists.

    Alas, when we have specimens of similar kind in our own country, how can we point an accusing finger at these organizations?

    By Blogger Nth Dimension, at 6:52 PM  

  • Hari..
    If this is true.. then.. since Rama was one of the dasavatars.. would it be true that all the ten avatars are also history and not mythology ?

    By Blogger Sowmya, at 8:43 PM  

  • Well said Daph!!!

    its pathetic to see to what level these stupids can stoop to do mud-slinging.

    some of the statements on that page are so outrageous. i dont even want to quote them.

    But this is Kaliyuga and as you said specimens like these will keep appearing. Can't help...

    By Blogger Sriram, at 9:08 PM  

  • Yes, I had also received this forward some days back, and was amazed to read it! But, I think you are right, more than proving whether Ramayan was true or fiction, let us now concentrate in proving that the values said in that epic can be still made true in this era! That is of more importance, I guess!

    By Blogger Deepak Jeswal, at 9:15 PM  

  • Manoj, Daph, Sriram,

    Religious fanatics are there in every religion and that is why this huge gap between religiousness and spirituality.

    We require many more Tsunamis to eradicate the disease spread by these fanatics.

    By Blogger hari, at 9:24 PM  

  • Hi Chakra,
    We all know that fictitious heroes and idealistic personalities enchant us only during our childhood days and we forget these characters once we grow into adults. But real life heroes, achievers and statesmen continue to be a source of inspiration to us throughout our life. That is the reason I am insisting on redefining Ramayana as historic event rather than a Mythological event in order to remove the fiction out of the story.

    Further let me clarify I am not making this post with an intention of supporting Hindu religion, for that matter this post has nothing to do with any religion at all. I am supporting Ramayana for the sake of its teachings and teachings alone.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:03 PM  

  • Hi Sriram,
    You are right, spreading of the teachings of Ramayana is more important. But making Ramayana an historic event, rather than a fiction would give further strength to its teaching and reach deeper into the society.

    As I told earlier this post has nothing to do with any religion at all. I am supporting Ramayana for the sake of its teachings and teachings alone.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:04 PM  

  • Hi Manoj,
    Welcome to my blog. My view is that whatever material gives some good education to us should be accorded its due importance and place without colouring it with shades of religion, politics and all unhygienic preservatives.

    And yes, not all people are as matured to be able to establish faith and belief on their own. There are many who needs to be thought and given the right direction. These scriptures put up at the right place is just for those people. Ramayana has nothing to do with Science. And let me tell you everything in this world is not proved with Science alone, may be the scientists all over the world have formed such a strong lobby that they force science to stake a claim wherever something is proved true and bury all the failures of proven scientific theories itself calling it aberrations.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:04 PM  

  • Hi Sowmya,
    Your thought is definitely worth making a serious effort, may be we stumble upon a huge bank of knowledge, realization and source of enlightenment.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:05 PM  

  • Hi Deepak,
    I want it to be proved true only to give strength and a basis to its teachings and do not intend to give value addition to any religion in this effort.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:05 PM  

  • Hi Hari,

    It was a revealing piece of information you gave us. Could you e-mail the pics to me (mrkirthi@yahoo.com)

    Hari, I am also reading Cho Ramaswamy's 'Hindu Matham oru Samudhram' in his magazine Tughlaq, is interesting and gives lot of insights into the Hindu religion.

    By Blogger Krithivasan, at 10:36 PM  

  • Whether it is Ramayana or otherwise, it is Indian first...lets take certain examples..Helio Centric Theory...ask any child, it will tell that the theory was propounded by Copernicus...but if u take a look at any of hindu temples with Navagraha, u would immediately identify the closeness of that to scietific truth...also, when it was told that the planets dont see each other, i consider it to be in seperate orbits(non meeting)...n so on...i will post the remaining later...now got a class to attend...

    By Blogger Krish, at 3:45 AM  

  • Thanks Hari. Got the attachment but was not able to open it.

    By Blogger Krithivasan, at 4:40 AM  

  • I believe in Ramayana and I don't need proof for that. I mean even if it is a myth, it still teaches us a lot of values.

    comparing ours with other religions will only pave way for more hatred.

    By Blogger saranyan, at 8:49 AM  

  • Should we need any endorsement from NASA to believe Ramayana?

    By Anonymous Indian Voter, at 9:33 AM  

  • Hi Saranyan,

    Unfortunately a very negligible percentage of the indian population is as enlightened and awakened as you.

    Most of our population are illiterate and live on the false culture created by movies and politicians. A real life hero would definitely would appeal them more than fiction.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:06 PM  

  • Hi Krish,

    fully agree with you. But I would rather like if you refer to them as part of Indian culture and heritage, than place them within a particular religion.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:09 PM  

  • Hi Indian voter,

    I am seeing the first truly declared Indian voter in my life. Wish you are the beginning a very rare class of people which would eventually encompass a majority of Indians, for the better of our country.

    Me and you do not need NASA to believe Ramayana, but a majority of illiterates believe that there can be no real life idealistic personalities and this exercise is necessary in their interest.

    By Blogger hari, at 10:13 PM  

  • Hi Hari,
    Although Ramayana is technically called a mythology, I believe that everyone who believes in it, somewhere in their heart knows that it actually happened. I for one, ever since I had my exposure to the Ramayana and Mahabharata have seldom regarded them as myths. It happened millions of years ago and there is not enough "scientific" evidence which is why it is probably known as a myth now. But what about in the days of yore? when not everything was based on "sceientific" evidence? Didnt everyone then believe it to be true? Every faith has its roots somewhere and Hinduism being one of the oldest religions did not just spring up because of myths. What irks me no end is that because it is considered a myth not much importance is given to it in schools. True, India is a secular country and every religion is equal, but like we learnt in school about how Christ did actually happen, about how the Prophet did actually descend, then if the children also learnt about how actually the Ramanyana did take place, then maybe they will be able to relate to it better and other faiths would probably understand Hinduism a little better.

    By Blogger None, at 1:24 PM  

  • And I also agree with what all of you have to say about the description of Rama on the Christain website. If you read further along about hinduism in general, the tone is that of ridicule, like you said, fanatics exist everywhere and that was one example. Also, if you wouldn't mind, I would also love to see those pictures (utterances@rediffmail.com). Would really appreciate it. Once again a very provocative post there Hari.
    - Kaush

    By Blogger None, at 1:27 PM  

  • Hi Hari, Excellent post. Personally Ramayan is my most favorite story (myth or history).I think that the values in it is so much relevant today. I have seen sites that prove the authenticity. The descriptions of of the geography of the deccan and Srilanka(the mountains and rivers crossed by Ram during 'banwaas' and war in lanka') are correct. Similarly even by the description in Bhagwadgita, historians have been able to pinpoint the area of Kurukshetra war, even the position of chariots, the direction of Krishna-Arjun chariot while the Bhagwadgita was rendered. These are so interesting to read. But I do not think they should be taught seriously as history.Hinduism is not a missionary religion. And it is so for a purpose. (Hindu View of Life-Rajagopalachari)

    By Blogger Vidhur, at 4:01 PM  

  • Hari, You surely made the post with the good intentions as you have stated a few times on your messages. However, I doubt the authenticity of these claims. If you search the NASA site, you will not get any link to the so called NASA findings. Check Wikipedia for 'Rama's Bridge' and you will get a brief note and the pictures which make more sense!

    As many other southeners, I never had much doubt about whether there was any bridge to Srilanka or not. Without the need of these satellite imagery, the geographical structure of India and Srilanka itself suggest the possibility of a connection between the two. However, whether it was man-made or natural is a different question. To be honest, I don't believe in a bridge built across the sea by humans (by filling it!). Interestingly, these are limestone shoals. I would believe more that, this elevation was probaby used by Rama and his forces, possibly filling parts of the natural bridge for the warfare.

    On other hand, I would think the relative antiquity of Ramayana itself is a proof for the existence of Rama as I believe 'fiction' is a relatively young concept. At those times, chances are that stories were told of what really happened, though may be with a lot of spicing up.

    Well, as many others have already said, to have a role model, I don't think there is any need to go back so much into ancient history. We had many great minds in our own known history. Let Ramayana and other stories remain myths and instill that sense of morals to the youngsters as they have done so far. Some are better as abstract concepts, right?

    By Blogger Yeh J(e)o Hai Zindagi, at 2:59 AM  

  • Good one Hari. I saw those pictures too but these days we cannot believe whether the pics are original, coz people are faking such pics. So I went to NASA site and found it in their site. I was amazed abt that bridge. We are not making enough efforts to prove that Ramayana and Mahabharatha happend here. Thenx for visiting my blog after a long time I guess. I will definitely help u in ur shopping at Kanchipuram.

    By Blogger REFLEX, at 9:05 PM  

  • hi Hari,

    Interesting post and interesting comments. Personally I have always felt that most of our myths would have happened really and retold through generations with a lot of spicing up. For example, if you consider the tales of Birbal, you would be able to find a few stories similar to Mullah. Now we know that there had been a person called Birbal, but how many of the stories are really related to him and how many were fostered on him? When Birbal who is only a few hundred years into history has so many stories linked to him, I'm sure much more hype would have been fostered on the original Rama.

    By Blogger PVS, at 3:58 PM  

  • hey man this is a very good post.. . now people had proof we can push ramayana to be in history.. may be some more proofs will seal it.. hmm the values taught are really worthy for next generations.. yup it showed "power of women" ;)

    By Anonymous chandu, at 5:43 AM  

  • Hey ... Long time - after reading everything I will have to stick by TLB - and Dan Brown, "Relegion is something that cannot proved. Faith is beyond what is verifiable. Thats why its faith and not science. If you can prove things of faith, it becomes science and hence no more of a faith"

    Well, Christ is a Historic Figure - But that does not stop anyone from slinging mud at Him and accusing Him. Look at the extreme Christian organisations. Prophet Muhammed is a Historic Figure - what about the terrorists in the name of Allah ??? Vivekanand, Paramahamsa they are Historic Figures ... I'm really sorry to note their followers and their activities ...

    Despite all this negetivity, there is the good in each religion too ... I think that raising the question of making the Ramayan and Rama Historic will only add to the already burning agenda of the extreme Hindus and ... well u get the picture :-) Peace :-)

    Ending - Dan Brown, " Relegion is something that cannot proved. Faith is beyond what is verifiable. Thats why its faith and not science. If you can prove things of faith, it becomes science and hence no more of a faith"

    Very true - in my opinion.

    By Blogger Loveena, at 11:47 PM  

  • Hi Hari,

    In fact Sanatana Dharma refers to both 'Ramayan' and 'Mahabharat' as 'Itihaas' or history, don't know when, where and how they started calling them mythologies. Or probably once the so called modern scientific era started and lot of the happenings in these stories were not explainable, that is when people started thinking of them as Mythological stories.


    By Blogger Anuradha, at 2:22 AM  

  • Dear Hari; U R no small man.U R great.your 'Ramaayana' blog is superb.I have been in PAmban and RAmesearam professinally.A fund of evidence is available.I have seen the pics of NAsa and also the Maps of Remote sensing satellite.All these confirm your inferences.The so called modern scientific tools and yard sticks are not fool proof either.But as Chakrapani,Saranyan and Sriram say it is very imp that the message be understood and taken to every nook and corner of the world.You are equally roght that, in a day of reckoning only with history,including 'Ramaayana' as a historical event will fortify the principles enunciated in 'Ramaayana' Partha krish

    By Blogger kichami, at 7:38 AM  

  • No evidence of Rama having crossed the rivers Godavari, Krishna, Tungabhadra, Cauvery. The geography described in Kishkindha Kanda and Sundara Kanda is inadequate to prove that Hanuman really visited Sri Lanka. According to historian Shri Sankalia, the Ramayana Lanka is near Chitrakoot in Madhya Pradesh/Chattisgadh. It is necessary for a person to read Valmiki Ramayana thoroughly to appreciate that Ramayana was a North of Vindhya or at least north of Godavari affair. www.ramayanayb.blogspot.com. We can revere Rama. But we cannot create or imagine history to show that Hanuman crossed the Indian Ocean. It is an impossibility physically.

    By Blogger multisubj yb, at 6:05 AM  

  • Can u bring the Image of the Ramar Bridge of NASA's??


    What link can bring it for as a history??

    By Blogger rizwan, at 5:16 AM  

  • Hi all!!!that was indeed very interesting and healthy discussion.I think we dont need an idol like "lord" rama..he was such a MCP(male chauvinist.he asked sita to go for agni parisksha to proove wheather she was "touched" by ravana.this is 21st century and who needs such a chauvinist person?
    As far as pictures produced by NASA are concerned,i think they are fake,some hindu fanatic might have morphed that picture to proove the evidence of Ramayana.secondly, there are two written records available(A)valmiki ramayana (B)shrimad-bhagwad gita.and both of them potray different pictures.there is not a single fact to proove the existence of ramayana.i don't think ramayana should find any place in history.because history of any civilization is full of facts,figures and innumerable evidences.however there is no fact available to proove the existence of ramayana.so,its better for the fanatics and illitrates to see it as mythology.It will take atleast thousand of years to wipe off the myth and come to the reality by putting such things on the back burner.

    By Blogger pragya, at 9:06 PM  

    You are negligible, just a grain of sand like all inhabitants of this Mrityulok. DO NOT USE FILTHY MEANS TO FURTHER RUIN YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF. Read Vedas, Shastras then speak, So research before you speak. It is said only in Vedic shastras that god exists in every one of us unlike other religions which promote their contaminated values through missionaries and terrorism.
    Jai shri Ram
    Jai Hind

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:11 PM  

  • Hi Pragya,

    Please never be ignorant to say so childish statements which you cannot hold, Here I am giving you a link where you can find the details of construction of the controversial rama sethu

    This starts with a statement from
    Shri B.B. Lal
    Director General, Retd.,
    Archaeological Survey of India,

    By Blogger Vasu, at 9:34 AM  

  • Hi All,

    Further to my previous, I dont know Whether It is same T K Hari I saw in Jaya TV Today, But Mr.Hari was giving out excellent evidences matching the apart from the website, about several incidence like the Grahanas (Chandra & Surya) happened during the life of Rama are quoted in valmiki ramayana and

    The calculations prove the possibility of such instance at the time. This is an enough proof that Valimiki Ramayana is not a novel written for enjoyment and is a biography of a person who lived.

    We say that scientists discovered earth is like a ball, but Kambana Ramayana states in a sloka that earth as 'Gagana Muttai' in Tamil which means Gahana - World & Muttai - Egg (or like ball shaped) this itself implies that the scientific knowledge of India was better than that of today.

    We and our anchesters (may be those born in Kaliyuga) were mostly ignorant / forgot / unlearnt the scientific knowledge our rishis and yogis and siddha purushas have passed to us.

    Now, we are again starting to learn from a,b,c,d.. of these things.

    You know a fact our epics state that Dr.Sushrutha (Not Sushmita sen) father of Indian Siddha Medicine had performed a brain operation even before the Modern medicines. A leaf called KaruNochi in Tamil (I dont know botanical name and all dont ask me) juice of which was used as a solution to cut the skull to perform that operation.

    I once had a deep cut in my palm my siddha doctor applied a juice of a leaf on my palm and told me to keep my hand closed in a minutes time my cut hand was stuck together no more medicines were required. He later told me that the leaf applied was a variant of Karunochi.

    Why told all this is Siddha medicine which so ancient method from the time of rama (remember about sancheevani).

    Ravana flew by his Viman to lift Seetha.

    The Science, Architecture, Technology were so excellent that we cannot comment with our level of little knowledge on them.

    I am sorry if you people feel that I have gone out the subject.

    By Blogger Vasu, at 10:24 AM  

  • Some Science news for you
    1) I read in some books Some university students have conducted a research on Idols like those Indian temples and the result of vedic chanting (abisheka,pooja,etc) on them. Result - They emit some kind of magnetic waves like never before.

    2) UNESCO preserves a lot of Original Scripts of ancient period.

    I hope Scientists would agree that due to change in DNA patterns average height a human being (or any animal for that matter) is reduced over millions of years. We can even reverse calculate and compare specifications of human beings and vanaras in these epics. (this for those who want scientific evidence). Lot Our so called mythological books (other than these two epics ramayana and bharatha) specify the height and weight specifications of human being in each yuga which also matches.

    My dear friends, for every argument from non-believers there is a counter argument from believers. ("For Every Action there is a equivalent and opposite reaction")

    The argument continues....(from
    H. Prahalatha
    s/o Hiranyakasipu)

    Yours believably

    By Blogger Vasu, at 10:54 AM  

  • I was confused about the reality of this,

    Someone tell me the truth

    By Blogger Arif, at 5:50 AM  

  • Search Ram First before Searching for Ram's Bridge

    Search Ram first before
    Searching for Ram's Bridge

    Thu, 2007-05-10 02:10

    Nandhi Varman - General Secretary Dravida Peravai

    The BJP and its policies based on a mythical hero with no relevance to people's issues is a mirage chase. A mirage which BJP cannot reach to quench its thirst for power. Hue and cry over non existent Ram's bridge had been catapulted into a matter of national debate. Dravida Kazhagam, the parent body of all major and minor Dravidian political parties including Dravida Peravai had done the logically correct thing to counter the propaganda of falsehoods unleashed by the forces of fascism. Paula Richman wrote a book titled "Many Ramayanas" Yes the question before us is to accept which Ramayana as true story?. Vishwa Hindu Parishad is not ready to accept truth or explore hidden truth or accept the multiplicity of Ramayana versions. That is fascism and nothing else. Paula Richman refers an incident in her book. "In 1993 the VHP destroyed an exhibition because it depicted the Jain Dasaratha Jathaga version of Rama and Seetha as siblings." Who could be the arbiter? Should anyone take the matter to International Court of Justice because it involves Ramayanas originating from different cultures and countries? Individuals cannot go to International Court of Justice. Some nation must take the matter to court, to prove its version of Ramayana as true history. Till the matter is decided, no question of resolving Ram's birth place and Ram's Bridge could be resolved or settled. First and foremost to be decided is which of the Ramayanas is true history? Laos Ramayana: Buddha recited the story of Rama to his disciples, in Laos; they believe that the jataka tale to be tale of Buddha's previous birth. There are two popular versions of Ramayana namely Phra Lak Phra Lam and Gvay Dvorahbi. According to these Ramayanas, Ravana is the nephew of King Dasarath. Rama while roaming in desert in search of Sita eats a fruit and becomes a monkey. [The biblical Adam and Eve's story and its resemblance could also be taken note of] After becoming monkey Rama meets Nengsi, a woman turned into monkey and marries her. Hanuman is their son. After killing Ravana, Ram marries his widow. Thai Ramayana: The earliest version of Ramakien dates back to 13 th century and Thais believe their version to be the original story. In Ramakien many places in Thailand have been identified with Ramayana episodes. The city of Ayutthaya i.e. Ayodhya has been mentioned as capital of the kingdom. Ramakien vividly describes the marriage of Hanuman. According to Thais, Hanuman had many affairs and children. Jain Ramayana: According to historian D.N.Jha in Jain Ramayana it is Luxman who kills Ravana. Neither Ram, Luxman nor Hanuman is monogamous. Luxman has 16,000 wives while half that number Ram has, says D.N.Jha. "In Buddhist Ramayana Rama and Sita are siblings who later got married while in Jain Ramayana Rama has 8000 wives. Historian D.N.Jha links the monogamous Rama to the patriarchal society, a symptom of which is also Sita's agnipariksha." Cambodian Ramayana: Cambodian version "The Reamkher" states Ram as incarnation of Vishnu. Akaingameso which means God's doorkeeper was reborn as Ravana. Sita, in her earlier birth was the wife of Indra, who was insulted by Ravana. To avenge the wrong she was born as Ravana's daughter. Ravana was cautioned by his astrologer and brother Bibhek about his daughter's evil birth. Ravana put her in a chest and buried her. King Janaka later discovered her. The Reamkher follows Valmiki episodes on Ram's friendship with monkey chiefs and construction of the bridge. There is one important deviation. Sita gave birth to a son named Ramalaksha parented by Valmiki.One day she went to the river for a bath with her son when the sage was in deep meditation. After meditation Vamiki could not see his son, hence created another son by his yogic power and named him Jupalaksha. These are some of the versions. BJP and VHP must first of all find out whether Sita is the wife of Valmiki ? They must find out whether Rama had 8000 wives, Lakshman had 16000 wives or Dasarathan had 60000 wives. The Ravana and Sita being father and daughter and the Rama and Sita being brother and sister, are existing stories in various cultures. We did not write these Ramayanas, and all Ramayanas are written by pious people and not atheists like me. The Dravidian Movement took up cudgels against the Kamban's version of Ramayana and the journal Kudi Arasu edited by Thanthai E.V.Ramasamy Periyar published series of articles by Chandrasekara Paavalar. Aringnar Anna challenged Tamil scholars to come for open one to one debate on the purpose of Kambaramayanam and its imposition on Tamils to subjugate them under Aryan Illusion. Navalar Somasundara Bharathiar and Chollin Chelvar R.P.Sethu Pillai debated with Anna and openly admitted they have lost the debate. This debate in Tamil Book "Let Fire Spread" wants to illuminate Tamil hearts by symbolically burning Kamba ramayanam. Pulavar Kuzhanthai wrote Ravana Kavyam can be considered as Dravidian version of Ramayanam. The question before us which of these versions is based on true historical facts. These are not days where everyone will accept anything with blind faith. If you place new facts to reopen a settled issue in history, you should place facts and prove it. Blind faith of BJP and VHP will not stand the scrutiny of the Age of Science. Chinese had some truth to add to world's history, yes they wanted to tell the world that their sons only discovered America and not Columbus. Gavin Menzies wrote a book: 1421 : The Year China Discovered America. The book states about the 7 expeditions by Admiral Zheng He between 1405 and 1423 with a fleet of 317 ships and 28,000 men. Chinese Government organized exhibitions, and the postal authorities of Hong Kong, Macao, Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand issued postage stamps commemorating Zhen He's discovery. At a cost of 50 million dollars a Museum is being set up. If BJP and VHP had truth in their arsenal let them use it first. Lungpower alone will not establish truth. When they ruled India, BJP combine tried its best to use all money at its command to prove many falsehoods; ultimately they failed in all such adventures. How Fast Do Monkeys Fly? In October 2004, a lecture by Berkeley Professor R.P.Goldman titled "How fast do monkeys fly? How long do demons sleep" which took place in New Delhi is reported in the Times of India [Mumbai edition] dated Saturday October 30 2004. According to Dr.R.P.Goldman "ancient Sanskrit scholars who made intense study of Hindu mythological texts like Ramayana tried to rationalize several of the seemingly improbable tales like Ravana's ten heads, or how fast Hanuman the monkey god could have flown to get the sanjivini or elixir, for Laksman or even how long Kumbakarna, Ravana's brother, might have slept." In order to apply the rationalist paint to the absurd story of Ravana having 10 heads, since none of the findings about extinct species have found a single 10 headed human fossil, they said that Ravana actually had one head and the other 9 were reflection on the large 9 polished gems that he wore around his neck. The success of rationalist movement compels scholars to spin new tales to justify foolish tales. Another important question that these scholars raised was how long could Hanuman have taken to fly to the Himalayas to the Mahodaya Mountain to fetch the life giving herb for Laksmanan from Lanka, where the battle was raging? Goldman says that some of the scholars calculated that roughly at a speed of 660 kilometers per hour Hanuman flew, plucked the mountain, and flew back to Lanka. Then "Hanuman was quite ecologically conscious" the Professor R.P.Goldman states in order to save ecology Hanuman flew again back to Himalayas and pasted the plucked mountain with an adhesive still not found by scientists. This is the scholarly research which BJP and VHP want us to accept. Can anyone with brain assimilate this research as proven scientifically and established beyond an iota of doubt? No one will swallow this foolish finding. Dravida Peravai wants BJP and VHP to prove all these impossible feats first before staking claim to Rama's Bridge in Gulf of Mannar. Rama's Bridge So far historians have found evidences that first human on Earth dates back to 60,000 years. Journey of Man by Spencer Wells which was also telecasted in National Geographic Channel claims that first human beings were from Africa. The book also claims that all humans are one; there exists a common gene named Sangene in all human beings. While writing about this book in my article titled Black Race and Brahma's Face, I had written that these findings which prove human race is one is a severe indictment of a race that claims superiority among others and one which never accepts all humans as equals, thus people who claim to have born from Brahma's face who built castles of lies in the name of varunasharadharma, have been proven to be totally unscientific and idiots claiming superiority on earth at the cost of fellow human beings, The reason to state this is because in www.virtuallibrary.com of Srilanka claims: "NASA Images Find 1,750,000 Year Old Man Made Bridge between India and Srilanka" Under this title the Aryan lobby writes "In the 18 th incarnation of Lord Krishna, the Lord appeared as King Rama. In order to perform some pleasing work for the demigods, he exhibited superhuman powers by controlling the Indian Ocean and the killing of the atheist King Ravana, who was on the other side of the Sea"…. Srimad Bhagawatham, the site claims. Let us examine the falsehoods one by one. We from the Dravidian Movement are atheists but not Ravana; all know that Ravana as per epics is a devotee of Lord Siva. The doubt which arises to me is why should a reincarnation of God perform superhuman deeds to impress demigods? Does it mean that Demigods are more powerful than the Original God on reincarnation? How does God control Indian Ocean? UNESCO had constituted an Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission to undertake research of the Indian Ocean. This commission had not found yet anything that Gods did in Indian Ocean as per Srimad Bhagawatham. Well Dravida Peravai urges the Indian Government to refer the matter of Rama's Bridge to this Intergovernmental Commission and if this commission says that there is no Rama's bridge, will all BJP and VHP followers give up their religion and become atheists. Graham Hancock had written a book titles Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization. In 1981 Daniel Behrman had written a book Assault on the Unknown. There are many books on Indian Ocean. All these books give us evidences on the continental drift, the submerged lands of the Lemuria, which Tamils prefer to call as the Kumari Kandam. The challenge posed by BJP and VHP must be accepted and we must use the National Institute of Oceanography to indulge in the study of under water archaeology to bring to light the great past of the Tamils. Tamil literature says 49 countries were lost to the seas, including River Kumari and River Pahruli. If Ramayana, an epic says Rama constructed a bridge and if that has to be probed, we Tamils demand that what all Tamil literature says about First and Second Tamil Sangams and the land loss to Tamil homeland namely Kumarikandam also should be studied. In 2004 Dinamani Tamil Daily reported that in Bangalore a scientist Graham Cook displayed finds from the under water exploration he made near off the coast of Poompuhar, the Chozha Port and displayed video scenes of submerged Poompuhar and bdisplayed out 2000 artifacts from the Sea. Using carbon dating and other scientifically proven methodology in archaeology he said that the Poompuhar Civilization dates back to 7500 B.C. Tamils must be proud to have scientific evidence that pushes its civilization to an earlier period compared to Indus Valley Civilization. Instead of repeating like parrots that we have 2000 years of history, Tamil scholars must claim that we have a civilization which is 10,000 years old. The probe BJP wants to undertake will only prove the Tamils past. It is well known fact that due to rise and fall of sea level both India and Srilanka got linked up in land 65,000 years ago, Before 27000 years due to rise in sea level India and Srilanka got separated. Around 17,000 years ago when sea level dropped both land masses joined and later parted. The study made by Trichirapalli Bharathidasan University Earth Sciences department states that before 1.4 million years sea was close to Madurai. Before 90,000 years Chennai, Puducherry and Vedaranyam were surrounded by seas. We all know that global warming will result in rise in sea level and Tamilnadu coast will undergo changes. These are all natural phenomenon. When lands get linked and then gets separated sand domes will naturally be formed. Such domes could not be claimed as bridge. Contrary buildings exist beneath the seas near Poompuhar, where we can prove Tamil civilization, Right from the beginning Srilanka had been conspiring to stall Sethusamudram project, and we all know the proposal by Srilanks to construct a bridge linking Srilanka and India, for which it gave an eye catching name Hanuman Bridge, perhaps to hoodwink the BJP. For argument sake if Hanuman Bridge had been constructed instead of Sethusamudram project will it not affect the Rama's so called Mirage Bridge? Dravida Peravai opposed it by calling it a Berlin Wall across the Seas. Now again with no economic programme in its arsenal BJP wants to use an emotional appeal, hence resorts to Ram's bridge. But BJP conveniently forgets that Atal Bihari Vajpayee speaking in Indian Parliament in 1974 called Kachateevu as Valideep, where Rama fought Vali. Why BJP is silence on Valideep? Why they don't want to reclaim Valideep? Loss of Kacchateevu results in out fishermen getting killed. Reclaiming Kachateevu is not in BJP's agenda, but a Bridge is, what a mentality these fascist forces have ? Nandhi Varman - General Secretary Dravida Peravai submitted this article for publication. - Asian Tribune -

    By Blogger Arif, at 5:51 AM  

  • I wonder if arif had seen historicalrama.org, If so he would have been clear. When a Engineer who is also researcher is able to tell on a Regional TV (Jaya TV) that he can prove the very possibility of Rama Bridge even at the right panel in the court. Why was not taken these things into consideration.

    In a scientific era it is not very hard to find whatever he has told. Why the Government is not open to order a research on this to finish the matter once for all.

    You can see very impact of such things in recently concluded elections. There is continue.

    I will come back with more info

    By Blogger Vasu, at 10:20 AM  

  • HI Hari,

    Can u send me those pics of Ramayana. my mail id is rajappa.suresh@gmail.com

    By Blogger Suresh, at 12:03 AM  

  • good article and specially last lines are impressing to show indian original culture..... which is only in india ( the only no. 1 culture in the world ).... Antony

    By Anonymous Antony, at 5:34 AM  

  • This epic also provides the evidence of the fight between Aryans and Dravids. The conflict between Aryans and Dravids itself is a fact , which thereby supports the truth of Ramayana that its not a myth but the history.

    By Pinky Kadam

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:22 AM  

  • Dear Hari,

    Can u please provide me the link for that pic or any more information supporting the truth about ramayana....


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:38 AM  

  • It is amazing how some people's belief relies upon denigrating others'. The Muslim, christian fundamentalists are quick to take up science and logic out of context to disprove what Hindu's hold dear. And yet apply the same to their religion and they will be up in arms baying for blood.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:28 PM  

  • Truth lasts for ever

    There has been n number of occasion where people of every other religion had tried to disprove Hinduism.

    They have vanished into ashes and mud today. But Hinduism, remains good and sound as ever.

    If you want examples the read the epics and other Hindu literatures in full.

    By Blogger Vasu, at 7:51 PM  

  • to vasu,

    before suggesting others you read them. according to your own people the so called reeal religion people claim that the four vedas are the sacred books of your reeal religion. read the first veda and then post your comments.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:03 AM  

  • Hi Pinnky,

    Just go through


    Hi Anonymous,

    1) Every religion is formed by some sacred people who had a clear vision and where known about what they are saying and why they are saying so.

    In hinduism, it is a basic discipline / thought - Mathru (Mother) Devo bhava, Pithru (Father) Devo bhava, Acharya (Teacher) Devo Bhava, Athithi (Guest) Devo Bhava. Devo Bhava means 'are god'. Here the hinduism never speaks about Guest of what religion.

    Similarly there are quotes by Jesus/Prophet Mohd/Buddha/Mahaveera as well. I am sorry, I not so knowledged enough to quote them here.

    But, There were people who in the history had tried to disprove other's religions have gone into mud.

    Thereby reducing/vanishing the growth their religion have taken up during their period. Eventually such religions became non-existent as well. This is a inevitable truth.

    For your kind information, I am not against any religion, but only against the people who poke their nose without knowing anything.

    1) I would recommend you to speak with facts and information on whether you are speaking for or against rather than just pointing fingers.

    By Blogger Vasu, at 8:07 PM  

  • Hi All

    If you want to believe, you can go to incredible lengths to fool your own common sense.
    Either all of Ramayana is historical and biographical or none!
    Rama's deeds may be credible but what about the deeds and actions of the other characters - Vashista and his cow Sambala and his weapon Brahmadanda; Viswamitra, the most maniacal character in Ramayana, who was Guru to Rama and Lakshmana - his feud and his never ending tapas to become a Brahma Rishi to revenge on Vashista because of the cow Sambala he couldn't have! His attempt and ability to create a parallel universe with is own Brahma! How about his boons and his Brahmasatra!
    Flying moneys, Vimanas, building bridges across the Palk strait!

    No doubt,Valmiki was a great fiction author! All fiction has setting in a time and place and Ramayana is set in a time some thousands of years ago! Because of the time lag we don't have to develop a mind set that all things were possible then! Fiction is a fiction, irrespective of time lag!

    If you want to waste your time, building temples to Rama and pray
    to a non-existent being that is your perogative.

    If you take Rama as a mythical figure and take some of the didactic bits of Ramayana and Gita and model your life on the values that you may find humane, I am sure nobody will begrudge you that!

    Ram! Ram!

    By Anonymous Lakshmana, at 11:08 PM  

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